Montgomery Co Mess Gets Crazier, Your Support Is Necessary

Phil Rison (here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here), of Montgomery County infamy, and his attorney from KASA, Wayne Young (here, here, here, here, here), are attempting to include me on a witness list for his upcoming hearing. Yes, despite retiring so as not to be fired for everything he’s done (not allegedly — there’s video, audio, government documents from open records requests, police reports, Education Professional Standards Board investigation records, signed agreements), Rison is pushing ahead with a due process hearing. It’s what many people believe is KASA’s last ditch attempt to prevent superintendents from being fired by school boards. They’re also attempting to do this in other lawsuits.

Here’s the deal: I’m a journalist, like it or not, and have an established history.

I’m on the state government press list. I’m on the White House press list. Various campaigns recognize me as press. Other media outlets recognize me as press.

A taste in text:

  • Governor Steve Beshear
  • Governor Ernie Fletcher
  • The Family Foundation of Kentucky (yes, even them)
  • State Auditor of Public Accounts Adam Edelen
  • Attorney General Jack Conway
  • Large PR firms
  • New York Times
  • Washington Post
  • Senator Mitch McConnell
  • Senator Rand Paul
  • Congressman John Yarmuth
  • Republican Party of Kentucky
  • Chronicle of Higher Education
  • Churchill Downs
  • Louisville Metro Council
  • Louisville Metro Government
  • Lexington Mayor Jim Gray
  • Education and Workforce Development Cabinet
  • Various judges
  • Kentucky State Police

A taste in pictures:

I don’t testify during hearings. I don’t give up confidential sources. There’s nothing you can do to compel that. There’s a shield law for a reason. I don’t and won’t answer your questions about who is or is not a source, what someone said or didn’t say, how someone did or didn’t tell me something or whether or not you know what you’re talking about.

Are you people that simple? Really?

As a journalist who protects sources? I will not be bullied by you backward-ass rednecks in the same way you’ve gone after Alice Anderson, Sharon Smith-Breiner, Michelle Henry, Amanda Reffitt, Kelly Johnson, Bill Morgan, Jennifer Hall, Kelly Wallace, Brian Wallace, Jim Dusso, Gene Heffington, Marcia Duanaway, Alicia Sneed, Michelle Williams and countless others.

But if you want to try make me the story? Want to try to blame me for reporting everything with documentation to back it up? I’ll stand up for the people you’ve wronged and an army of people will stand up with me. If you think I’m joking, watch what’s about to happen over the next couple months.

Folks can donate here (at the bottom of the page) if you want to confidentially help me fund a legal effort to shut that crap down. While there’s a shield law, it still requires legal action to shut it down. $5, $500, $2,000, whatever. I’ll send you a nerdy magnet for your support:

I’ve ignored their personal attacks for years. I’ve ignored their attempts to use homophobia in an attempt to undermine the evidence. But. Enough is enough.

Support here:

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Paper Trail Raises Concern About Commissioner of Education Terry Holliday’s Recent Testimony

Remember when Commissioner of Education Terry Holliday pleaded ignorance of anything going on with fired former Montgomery County Schools superintendent Joshua Powell?

Click here to review the deposition and related shenanigans if your memory is fuzzy.


Turns out there’s a paper trail that suggests Holliday knew more than he claimed. Check out this email from Holliday’s right-hand to an individual who went to him regarding the Powell mess. His name is Jim Dusso.



From: “Smith, Jody – Office of the Commissioner of Education”
Date: January 23, 2014 4:13:48 PM
To: “jimdusso
Subject: Meeting request

Hi Jim. I talked with Dr. Holliday and due to his schedule and the nature of your call, he would like for you to initially meet/talk with staff attorney Dave Wickersham. Our Associate Commissioner of Legal Services, Kevin Brown, may also be in attendance. You will find Mr. Wickersham to be kind and courteous, and most importantly, very knowledgeable and professional.
Shall I have David contact you? Or you may email him to set up a time to meet. His office is on the 1st floor of the Capital Plaza Tower, 500 Mero Street, Frankfort.
Phone 502-564-4474, ext. 4833

If I can further help facilitate this meeting, let me know.

Jody Smith
Executive Secretary/Scheduler
Office of the Commissioner
Ky. Dept. of Education
502-564-3141 ext. 4806

Remember Dusso?

Dusso requested a meeting to discuss Powell’s directive for him (Dusso) to alter an employee’s evaluation.

Holliday’s secretary discussed it with him. Holliday knew darn well what was going on.

The Commissioner of Education Was Deposed In Joshua Powell’s Termination Case, Not Good For Powell

Current Commissioner of Education, Terry Holliday, is leaving the Commonwealth of Kentucky with hundreds of thousands of dollars remaining on his contract. Coincidentally, after all of the shenanigans involving Joshua Powell came to light, causing him more drama than he’s previously experienced.

Since Holliday has been a more than trivial player in the Powell saga, thanks in part to Powell involving him, he was deposed by Powell’s attorney, Ed Massey, several weeks ago.

So let’s review some highlights from that deposition.

The questioner (Q) is Massey. The individual answering is Holliday (A).

Told ya Holliday had solid sources from Montgomery County:

Q. Now, have you discussed this matter — I know you said you haven’t talked about it with anybody. I know that Mr. Floyd, Tommy Floyd, was, at one time, in Montgomery County. Have you had any discussions with Mr. Floyd regarding Josh Powell at any time?

A. Yes, as I would with all local superintendents. Dr. Floyd’s my chief of staff.

Despite barely knowing Joshua Powell, Holliday recommended him for the job in Montgomery County. He conveniently forgets a few things:

Q. Now, at one time, when Dr. Powell was applying for the job at Montgomery County, did you write a board letter to a Steve Osborne, do you recall that?

MS. DEENER: Object to form.

A. I recall having communication with a board member in Montgomery about — as a reference for Dr. Powell, I believe. I don’t recall — it may have been a letter, but I thought it was more a phone call. My memory is not serving me well.

Q. Well, I’m going to — if you don’t mind, I’m going to show you what we’re going to mark as Plaintiff’s Exhibit 1.

A. Uh-huh.


A. Oh, yeah. So it was both, yeah, my conversation on May 10, and then — him moving two schools forward, yes. Yes, I did write that letter.

Here’s where Powell got schooled by the board’s attorney, Elizabeth Deener:

Q. And what two districts did he move forward?

A. I believe it was Union. And, before that, it was the small district — help me remember the district before that. I believe I went down there and recognized them as a Blue Ribbon winner, in — near Meade County. What’s the name of that district? Somebody will have to help me here.

DR. POWELL: Cloverport.

A. Cloverport. Oh, yeah. Cloverport.

MS. DEENER: You may not speak. I’m sorry.

DR. POWELL: I may not speak?


You may recall that the OEA’s suggestion/action/recommendation were for Terry Holliday to oversee Powell:

Q. Okay. Now, in this letter, it talks about KDE reviewing an OEA report about allegations in Union County.

MS. DEENER: Objection to form.

Q. Do you recall what that is?

A. Vaguely, I recall an OEA report concerning some activities in Union County, but it did not rise to the level of the Commissioner or the state board taking any action.

-Lots of back-and-forth about how Powell’s attorney sucks at depositions-

Q. What is the OEA?

A. Office of Education Accountability.

Q. And what do they investigate?

A. Well, they investigated some hiring issues, I believe, in Union County. But I’d have to go back and pull the full report, because that’s been a number of years.

Q. Do you know if Dr. Powell was suspended from Union County?

A. Not that I’m aware of.

Massey attempted to hang some responsibility in Holliday’s closet:

Q. During the time that Dr. Powell was the superintendent of Montgomery County, did you have oversight of his work as superintendent?

A. Oversight? We’re responsible to ensure compliance with federal and state laws.

“Oversight” is a broad term. I don’t do the daily oversight of any school district. Mainly, our offices provide support and monitoring for compliance.

The claims by Powell and company in the past that he was close with Holliday?

Q. How would you describe your relationship with Dr. Powell?

A. Like all superintendents, supportive and encouraging.

Q. Have you ever mentored him?

A. It depends on your definition of mentoring. I think Dr. Powell and I have had numbers of conversations about leadership and how to — you know, his long-term plans for the future and the work he’s done in his districts. It was very similar to what I would do with any superintendent.

Reiterating that the school board has the power when it comes to reprimanding, suspending, firing Joshua Powell:

Q. Have you seen any evaluations of Dr. Powell?

A. Other than the documentation that our legal team reviewed, that’s all I’ve seen.

Q. Who performs the evaluation of superintendents?

A. The local boards.

Q. Does the KDE have anything to do with that process?

A. No, hopefully not.

A bit about the ratings change just before Powell took over in Montgomery County. It’s more confirmation of what we’ve previously reported — that the scoring system changed, Powell didn’t just miraculously improve things overnight:

Q. All right. How are schools rated in Kentucky?

A. The accountability mode, based on the requirements of Senate Bill 1 (2009), charged the state board to come up with those components, and they were developed in 2009 and 2010, and began to be implemented at the end of the 2010-2011 school year.

As we’ve reported on several occasions, he was well-aware prior to 2014:

Q. Okay. Thank you. When did you first become aware that there was a problem with Dr. Powell in Montgomery County?

A. I think I drove through Montgomery County and saw a road sign that said “Dump Powell.” And that was probably in early ’14, maybe.

Holliday’s own staff told us he was subpoenaed, as did folks in Powell’s crew. He definitely knew and you can tell that he knew based on the way his attorney interjected:

Q. When did you first become aware of the Education Professional Standards Board involvement with Dr. Powell?

A. I think Dr. Powell and I had a meeting here and he told me about it, in maybe the spring of ’14. I can’t remember the date.

Q. Were you in any way involved in those hearings or proceedings?

A. No.

Q. Were you subpoenaed to testify?


A. I was, but I think —

MR. ALLEN: If you don’t know, you can say you don’t know.

A. I don’t remember. I think I was, but I don’t remember.

On learning of Powell’s suspension:

Q. Understood. When did you first become aware of the suspension of Dr. Powell?

A. I think when we received the letter from the board attorney. Our staff, Kevin Brown, informed me that we had received that letter.


Q. Is there any policy within KDE concerning a superintendent’s suspension?

A. As I understand our staff and Kevin Brown, in the letter that he sent you, we have a longstanding interpretation that a local board could suspend a superintendent.

On termination — the school board has all the power:

Q. And what’s your role when there’s a recommendation by a local board for termination?

A. As I understand my role, our staff would do the investigation and then approve a due process hearing. We don’t make any determination as to whether a superintendent should be dismissed. That’s the local board’s authority. What we do is the process that has been laid out in the letter to you. We basically review it, and if there’s one issue that could merit a hearing, then we recommend the board go ahead with the hearing.

Holliday said there was a lot of supporting information for terminating Powell:

Q. And you indicated within your letter about competent materials. How do you know whether an investigation is a valid investigation or not?

MS. DEENER: Objection to form.

A. You know, I don’t have any answer to that one. That’s up to the local board in their due process hearing and the finding of facts, and eventually, you know, the court system would make those final determinations. But there was a lot of supporting information in this report.

Here Holliday says the OEA investigated personnel matters, suggesting that he knows more than he admitted in the beginning of the deposition:

Q. Okay. Now, on this report, the first page talks about personnel matters. Are you aware of problems with personnel matters in Montgomery County?

A. Yes, yes.


Q. Do you know of EOA(sic) has investigated the personnel matters?

A. I believe so, yes.

Q. Do you know if any action has been taken by KDE or OEA regarding personnel matters?

A. No. We were waiting on the EPSB hearing results.

On the Anna Powell shenanigans:

Q. Now, one of the things in the personnel matters was the hiring of Anna Powell. So the question I want to ask is, what prohibitions are there on hiring a spouse within a district?


A. Well, from a practical standpoint, it’s never smart to do that. But, as I understand it, if the spouse has been working there for a period of eight years or longer, then the spouse could continue. But there can be no direct supervisor relationship, and the spouse cannot have any evaluation ability or supervision ability over staff.

Q. Okay. So would it be fair to say there are requirements you have to meet?

A. Yes. There’s statutory requirements, yeah.

Tip-toeing around Phil Rison and bid-rigging with Big Ass Fans:

Q. And, more specifically, on in the report, it talks about ceiling fans at a gym and renovations of the district maintenance building. Are you familiar with any of those things?

MS. DEENER: Objection.

A. Just what I read.

Either Holliday’s lying here (he’s lying) or his legal team does everything, keeping him in the dark (they don’t keep him in the dark, they do extremely solid jobs). Nearly every person Powell terminated that we’ve interviewed or investigated sent letters to Holliday. Some attorneys for those individuals sent requests for due process hearings directly to Holliday.

Q. Are you aware of any specific instances of Dr. Powell exhibiting poor management in his dealing with district personnel?

A. No.

MS. DEENER: Objection to form.

Q. Are you aware of any retaliatory actions against personnel taken by Dr. Powell?

A. No.

On people in Anna Powell’s now-eliminated and illegally-obtained position’s responsibilities:

Q. Do you know what position Anna Powell was hired for?

A. It appeared, from what little bit I read, that she was the Director of Special Education.

Q. Okay. Do you have any knowledge of what those job duties are within Montgomery County?

A. No. Just statewide.

Q. Okay. Do you know if that job description requires supervisory authority?

A. In most cases, it does.

He may not know these individuals but he is certainly aware of all of them:

Q. All right. Now, with regards to the report, do you know Jennifer Hall? And if you don’t, that’s fine.

A. No. I mean, I may, if I saw her face. But I have, the older I get, trouble with names.

Q. Okay. And I assume, based on your prior answers, you haven’t interviewed any of those people?

A. Oh, no. No.

Q. Do you know a Kristi Carter?

A. No.

Q. A Kathy Boyd?

A. No.

Q. A Mike Martin?

A. No.

Note: Kathy Boyd is/was a receptionist. One of the individuals Kristi Carter pulled into the iPad mess.


Q. And I know that you have counsel and you can’t give legal opinions, but are you aware of any legal actions against the district in Montgomery County?

A. Only through secondhand information.

Even though he says the only things he knows about Powell’s work is what he’s seen at back-to-school events:

Q. I’ll just ask you to look over that, and, if you can, tell me what that is.

A. Yes. I wrote a recommendation to Josh for AASA Superintendent of the Year, based on his work in Union and Cloverport, and his early work in Montgomery.


Q. Do you know any of the Montgomery County School Board members personally?

A. There’s one member that serves on my local school board advisory committee, a Donna — I can’t remember her name right now, Ed. But, yes, she’s — I see her about three times a year.

Q. Okay. But that’s the extent of it?

A. That’s the extent, yes.

No wonder Powell tried to keep Donna Wilson in his circle. Until she had an awakening and realized she was being manipulated.

Powell’s crew attempted to claim that he hadn’t met with Holliday when we originally reported it. Holliday confirmed that he told Powell more than a year ago to start looking for another job:

Q. Have you had any occasion to talk with Dr. Powell about this investigation or any of these things?

A. Yes.

Q. When did that occur, and how did it occur?

A. Dr. Powell asked for a meeting and he came to my office. I believe it was early — sometime in the early part of ’14. And my counsel was that he should look for other employment.

Q. Okay. All right. Who attended that meeting, was it just yourself and Dr. Powell, or was there anybody else?

A. Just me and Dr. Powell.

Holliday says Powell didn’t do what the Auditor told him to do:

Q. The Auditor of Public Accounts, are they within the realm of the KDE, or is it a separate entity?

A. It’s an elected official, and that office is independent of KDE.

Q. Understood. With regards to Charge 1 — I’m going to go through a few of these, but not in great detail. But with regards to Charge 1, there’s some reference to taking corrective action. What did you mean by that?

A. I believe the auditor found that these changes were not consistent with the posted job title or district documentation, and it was referring to the auditor had findings and recommendations but Dr. Powell had taken no action.

The SBDM charge was about Amanda Reffitt, not hiring a principal:

Q. Now, does that include the hiring of principals, is that part of that process with site-based councils?

A. Oh, yes.

Reffitt’s the woman who had an affair with Barrier, Powell allegedly retaliated against her, feel free to dig through the archives.

Holliday says he took Powell at his word regarding the misdemeanor. Powell told him he didn’t think it had been documented, so it’s fascinating that he told EPSB a couple years ago that he was aware — long before he met with Holliday in 2014:

Q. Okay. All right. And then, lastly, the charge with this misdemeanor conviction that wasn’t on his application. Prior to receiving this report, did you know anything about that?

A. Yeah. Josh had told me about the incident, and he thought it had never been documented. He told me that in — I believe in a one-on-one interview back in last spring, the spring of ’14.

Q. Okay. Did that cause you any concern or alarm?

A. I didn’t have any reason to be alarmed. I took what Josh told me at face value.

What was that, again, about not reading Page One?

Q. Okay. All right. All of this information that you received, or your team received, was any of this new information that you didn’t already know?

MS. DEENER: Object to form.

A. We didn’t know the details. This was much more detailed. We knew there were issues between the board and Dr. Powell.

Q. Did you know before you received this letter of termination and this investigative information that he had hired his wife?

A. Oh, yes.

Q. Did you know before you received this investigation that there had been allegations that he asserted improper influence over site-based councils?

A. I did not know that detail.

Q. Did you know about personnel problems within Montgomery County before you received this information?

A. Only through Blogosphere and the EPSB hearing, yes.

Q. Page one, right?

A. Yes.

Q. Okay. And did you know about the misdemeanor, did that conversation about the misdemeanor happen before this?

A. Oh, yeah. Way, way before this. Only through personal telling of it by Dr. Powell to me in a conference.

Powell lied to him.

You’ll recall that Holliday and his team were so worked up about the special education mess that they investigated, finding Phil Rison had mucked things up:

Q. Now, one thing I did want to ask you about, when you got to your report where it talks about educational performance of the students, there were some comments there about unusual growth in an area. What did you mean by that?

A. Typically, we know what the state average growth is for each subgroup of students. And, in this particular case, this subgroup of students was significantly — I believe it was above the — let me see.

(Witness examining document.)

A. “Has been increasing disproportionally compared to the region” — yeah. So students with disabilities was increasing in achieve levels fast than surrounding counties in the state, and you need to dig a little deeper to find out, you know, why. And we love to find out why, and, if that’s a good thing, share it with everybody else.

KDE sources tell us they’re still unofficially examining special education in Montgomery County.

It’s still hot on the board’s radar. It’s not going away.

Now for a bit of cross-examination by Elizabeth Deener, representing the school board…

Deener called Massey out for ignoring Charge 3:

Q. Mr. Holliday, Mr. Massey went through several of the charges listed in the May 11, letter, but I did not hear Charge 3. If you’ll look at page three of the May 11 letter, do you see where it has Charge 3, the first —

A. Yes.

Q. Okay. And Charge 3 was one of the charges where the determination was the board relied on competent, relevant evidence and did not abuse its discretion in formulating a charge against Dr. Powell; is that correct?

A. Yes.

More on the misdemeanor Powell has attempted to cover up/hide/deny/spin:

Q. … [Y]ou stated that Dr. Powell himself told you sometime in 2014 of his undisclosed misdemeanor conviction. Do you recall that?

A. Yes.

Q. What was the contents of that conversation?

A. He told me that, you know, that was all a big mistake, that he never knew that there were any charges filed. And it seemed a plausible explanation at the time.

As you can see, the case doesn’t appear to be going the way Joshua Powell wants it to go. Holliday certainly isn’t on his side — he’s on the side of the facts. Government documents, police reports, recordings, videos, open records, legal proceedings.

Click here (WARNING: PDF LINK) to review the entire deposition for yourself.

Just wait til you get to experience the nine hour deposition of Powell himself.

New Highlights From Powell Hearing

Yesterday was the last day for fired former Montgomery County Schools superintendent Joshua Powell’s due process hearing.

So time for some highlights:

  • Powell didn’t understand the difference between job description and qualifications so Tiffany Welch, of the State Auditor’s office, schooled him
  • Powell refused to testify until the board wrapped up its case
  • Powell told the hearing officer he was learning as he goes, mostly via google
  • Mike Owsley, via telephone, said he gave Jacqui Johnston advice regarding the hiring of Anna Powell
  • Powell claimed Owsley was a legal authority
  • Owsley said he hadn’t seen board minutes, hadn’t attended board meetings
  • Tim Southern claimed he’s just a “poor boy from West Virginia” about half a dozen times
  • Southern said he was part of test score increases, said they were major (spoiler alert: they weren’t)
  • Southern claimed the district was in financial trouble before Powell came to town
  • Southern admitted to discussing the hiring of Anna Powell
  • Southern and Powell attempted to claim Alice Anderson and her husband stole material to build a deck on their home. Fact of the matter: records appear to indicate the deck was built more than 18 years ago
  • Southern and Powell apparently possess a copy of Alice Anderson’s personnel file, then, after stern questioning, claimed they’d only seen it on social media (they haven’t) when realizing how it may not be entirely legal to have it
  • Southern was shown the personnel file by Powell, if you were wondering, and the hearing officer struck that nonsense from the record
  • Southern and Powell claimed Anderson used school equipment to make fake IDs (she didn’t – this was also yanked from the record)
  • Southern claimed employees filed complaints against Anderson, proving yet again that Powell’s mission is to exact revenge upon her for holding him accountable
  • Powell showed up late yesterday and decided to rest his case. He claimed it’s because witnesses won’t testify for him because they’re afraid of retaliation.
  • Gulley was nowhere to be found
  • For roughly 30 minutes, Powell spoke with board attorneys in an attempt to mediate, trying everything he could to keep from being fired again
  • Then he was fired. Again. 4-0 vote.

No wonder Montgomery County is a nightmare.

Dear Montgomery County Folks

Stop gossiping and deliberately spreading misinformation.

You’re making it impossible for that school board to do its job. Impossible for anyone to trust you. Impossible for court cases to proceed.

You’re wasting time and resources.

Wondering why Joshua Powell always wins? Look in the mirror.

You want to beat him? Stop behaving like you’re a bunch of small town jackasses stuck in 1950.

More Highlights From Powell’s Hearing

Some highlights from day two (yesterday) of Joshua Powell’s due process hearing in Montgomery County.


Wondering what Commissioner of Education Terry Holliday had to say during his deposition in the Joshua Powell-Montgomery County Schools case?

  • When asked when he first learned of the troubles in Montgomery County, Holliday said it was as he drove through town to see all of the FIRE JOSH POWELL signs
  • Holliday had a private meeting with Powell in 2014 during which he advised him to look for other employment

Powell didn’t want that entered into the record but the hearing officer entered it anyway.

When his turn came to call witnesses, he told the hearing officer that he’s tried to come up with some but just can’t get in touch with any of them. So he asked board attorney Michelle Williams and some board members to be called. Note: the hearing broke for lunch from 10:45 to 12:00 so he could go try to wrangle up some witnesses.

He also had a ton of recordings. Which, as you’ve read previously, were potentially obtained illegally at worst and unethically at best (closed board meetings). Included conversations with:

  • Michelle Williams
  • Current board chair Alice Anderson
  • Former board member/chair Kenney Gulley
  • Former board member Kelly Murphy
  • Board member Donna Wilson
  • Someone named Teresa Combs

Spoiler alert: you already know the recordings hurt him and no one else.


Powell said he’s learning as he goes, mostly from Google. Yep, really.

He ultimately used Mike Owsley as a witness. He’s the former school board attorney involved in all of his messes. He called in to speak via telephone. It went about as well as you’d expect.

Shortly after returning from lunch, the hearing officer called yet another break so Powell could try to contact witnesses. The officer said he was giving him leeway because he lost his attorney just before the hearing. Think about it for a second, though: the man has known for several weeks when his hearing would take place and he wasn’t able to round up a handful of loyal witnesses? Really?

The person he rounded up was Tim Southern. Of KEA infamy. The guy who was transferred and forced into retirement after Joshua Powell’s shenanigans.


Instead of asking anything important, Powell questioned him about working for the superintendent prior to him. Because… who even knows? Southern said finances and morale were both bad under the previous supe, which we all know isn’t based in reality. Went on for quite a while.

Here’s a look at Southern as he left the stand, verbally criticizing the school district’s legal team as he departed, yelling at them about how much money they’re being paid:


You probably won’t be surprised to hear huge portions of what he had to say was stricken from the record.

The least surprising stunt Powell tried to pull yesterday was an attempt to have Jennifer Hall removed from the open, public hearing.


Because it’d be terrible for the taxpaying public that’s supported his years-long mess to find out what he says and does during the hearing he requested.

Hearing officer Stuart Cobb, from Jack Conway’s office, regularly fell asleep:


Giving Powell as much leeway as he desired.

After one particular outburst, Powell, along with Hughes, Southern and one of the deputies guarding the proceedings, claimed it was because his blood sugar was low.

This has gotten so crazy I’m not sure I’m going to be able to cover it. Honestly, crazy is an understatement. Almost can’t even listen to the recording.

Who wants a listen?