21 responses so far ↓

• 1 Bruce Maples // Aug 25, 2009 at 8:01 am

  So who do you know in Bridgeport, Connecticut? That’s what the reverse lookup says is the location of your caller. A dollar gets you name and address.

  Or do you know who it is already?

• 2 Carter Burger // Aug 25, 2009 at 8:25 am

  Dang, you guys are getting on people’s nerves way up in Connecticut! Awesome!!

• 3 Not Confused ... // Aug 25, 2009 at 9:24 am

  Jake, you and your readers know that our despised senior Senator is not always wrong. Not always. Even Nancy Pelosi is not always wrong, although some could argue persuasively that she is as vapid as a mayfly, and as malevolent as a botoxed scorpion.

  On the subject of “torture” Mitchell is correct.

  Speaking harshly and brandishing a weapon to an individual who plotted and brutally murdered 2,752 of our countrymen, of all persuasions, races, and creeds, is simply not torture.

  While our President might conceivably know better, his selection for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder is simply wrong in pursing the prosecution of those individuals who have already been punished for violating the letter, if not the intent of the law.

  This insipid ‘decision’ is not just dumb, it is simply, despicably wrong. Holder is the spawn of a legal cadre dedicated to the destruction of reason in order to uphold the most self-destructive aspects of “the law.” Kill all the lawyers? No, there are sane and good people in this once noble profession. But one might consider the advisability of prohibiting lawyers from public office. And from the judiciary, for that matter …

  McConnell is right. In this instance.

• 4 Ray Re // Aug 25, 2009 at 10:19 am

  Ummmmm Didn’t Eric Holder ignore the DOJ in giving OK to pardons of Marc Rich and Puerto Rican terrorists? This “torture” review by Obama DOJ is just another example of this administration listing badly in only 7 months. Gee, what do you think some new Islamist thug uglies could do to Democrats? BTW Great timing Eric, right on top of that Lockerbie bomber motherfucker getting flowers thrown in Tripoli for his bravery in bringing down a commercial jet.

• 5 Thunder Storm // Aug 25, 2009 at 11:08 am

  We are dying of the atrazine poisoning and Richie Farmer and most of his staff are partying every night at the State Fair.

  I know the Dept. Of Agriculture is flush with cash, vastly different from all other state agencies, otherwise how can you explain most of his staff staying in hotels in Louisville.

  Is it because Frankfort is soooooo far from Louisville, at 50 miles, that it is more cost effective to spend a $100 a night on hotel rooms vs $10 a day on gasoline?

  Yep. Richie fits right in with other state officials that nothing is too expensive as long as it’s not directly out of my wallet

• 6 Thunder Storm // Aug 25, 2009 at 11:08 am

  We are dying of the atrazine poisoning and Richie Farmer and most of his staff are partying every night at the State Fair.

  I know the Dept. Of Agriculture is flush with cash, vastly different from all other state agencies, otherwise how can you explain most of his staff staying in hotels in Louisville.

  Is it because Frankfort is soooooo far from Louisville, at 50 miles, that it is more cost effective to spend a $100 a night on hotel rooms vs $10 a day on gasoline?

  Yep. Richie fits right in with other state officials that nothing is too expensive as long as it’s not directly out of my wallet

• 7 Thunder Storm // Aug 25, 2009 at 11:08 am

  We are dying of the atrazine poisoning and Richie Farmer and most of his staff are partying every night at the State Fair.

  I know the Dept. Of Agriculture is flush with cash, vastly different from all other state agencies, otherwise how can you explain most of his staff staying in hotels in Louisville.

  Is it because Frankfort is soooooo far from Louisville, at 50 miles, that it is more cost effective to spend a $100 a night on hotel rooms vs $10 a day on gasoline?

  Yep. Richie fits right in with other state officials that nothing is too expensive as long as it’s not directly out of my wallet

• 8 Thunder Storm // Aug 25, 2009 at 11:11 am

  Happy fingers … Sorry

• 9 Novena // Aug 25, 2009 at 11:12 am

  “Mitch, the Mind Imprisoner”

  A moral mind does not torture. True believers can and do. Mitch is attuned to a mindless, dehumanized form of Americanism that crassly wins him votes.

• 10 Ray Re // Aug 25, 2009 at 11:38 am

  ” A moral mind does not torture.” Wow, bring on the marshmallows and kittens, and let’s watch videos of severed heads and collapsing Americanist office buildings and Arab girls getting gang raped and stoned to death because they were not true believers. Moral relativism is immorality’s butt ugly sister.

• 11 Not Confused ... // Aug 25, 2009 at 1:15 pm

  Novena, Dietrich Bonhoffer might disagree in part, if not in principle. Kick my dog, rape my spouse, sever my child’s head, kill my brother, and ye shall reap the whirlwind. And I shall not stop at brandishing a weapon. Torture? Whatever. When evil is present, do what is necessary. Quickly. Then, kill it. Methodically. Torture is too kind.

  Those who attempt with honor to protect and defend should not be second-quessed by their inferiors, who happen to have ascended to high political office at a date later and uncertain.

  I fear that we have become a nation steeped in principled cowardice. Unfortunately facilitated by our stalwart academic institutions and their intrepid leadership … and their attorneys. And their public relations counselors. Not to mention their athletic departments …

• 12 Novena // Aug 25, 2009 at 1:18 pm

  “Moral What?”

  Ray Re, the gruesome examples you cite are those committed not by “moral minds,” but by “true believers.” Those who foster torture seem to be among that heinous group of monsters. Immoral blokes such as Cheney, Rummy, Mitch, etc., are not far removed from that maddening crowd.

• 13 Novena // Aug 25, 2009 at 1:31 pm

  “The Search for an Ounce of Ethics”

  Not Confused, thanks for your erudite reply. In part, I agree with you. I don’t think the Cheneys and Rummys of the world (i.e., those who gave the orders for torture) should be protected while the little people, like Ms. England, solely take the punishment. You speak rightly of “principle cowardice” in U. S. foreign policy, legal circles, academe, athletics, and the hollow PR field. That is, in part, why we are no longer a genuinely moral nation.

• 14 Ray Re // Aug 25, 2009 at 2:05 pm

  Novena, some other time I might want to hear your definition of a “genuinely moral nation” or your evidence that Cheney or Rumsfeld directed Ms England to do anything. The issue here is sadistic Jihadists who not only want to impose the stone age version of Islam upon their own people, but to drag our asses there too. I ain’t going! I’m reminded of a favorite Gillian Welch song….Oh me oh my oh..Look at Miss Ohio..She says I want to do right..But not right now.

• 15 Novena // Aug 25, 2009 at 5:00 pm

  “One Nation, Under Unrepented Liars”

  Ray Re, I have a close relative in Iraq. The word from there (from troop friends, no less) is that we are acting immorally (i.e, treating both the enemy and the innocent as mere things to be disposed of at our will) in our efforts to “evangelize” through bloody actions. Bush, Cheney, Rummy, and the whole crew of miscreants spoke about tin-horn concepts of “democracy” (the only kind they really know) while bombing guiltless Iraqis to hell. (Keep in mind that most of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi, whose rulers we kiss in the ass with glee–mainly for their stinking oil. The Bush family has always been joined at the hip with the royal Saudi family.) And our fucking leaders sent our troops over there on a bunch of god-damned lies. So, I guess our U.S. leaders were beyond “stone age” tactics. Right?

• 16 le gardien de but // Aug 25, 2009 at 5:35 pm

  Jake–I am sure there are others besides me who want to know: who called u from Connecticut? friend or enemy–just curious…

• 17 jake // Aug 25, 2009 at 5:36 pm

  No idear.

• 18 Ray Re // Aug 25, 2009 at 6:04 pm

  Novena, I never said a word about Iraq. Indeed, I not only opposed that war, but I damn near kidnapped a couple of young boys to keep them from joining the army against their Momma’s will. I failed. The people who flew our jets into our buildings are no longer Saudis or Iraqis, they are Islamist terrorists who want an Islamic State all over the world. I want fuckers like that dead, and I want our military to help those fuckers meet Allah as soon as possible. If Eric Holder is looking back at the Iraq War’s legal predicate, that’s news to me, news that will scare the shit out of many politicians totally un-related to Bush. Google weapons of mass destruction/Iraq and marvel at the diverse adherents. Google Iraq and regime change while you’re at it. And of course it’s about oil as well, which is why we only bombed Belgrade from 20,000 feet without sending ground troops. Now there’s your ILLEGAL war, as opposed to a mis-guided one ala Iraq.

• 19 Novena // Aug 25, 2009 at 7:23 pm

  “On Terrorists, Police Operattions and War”

  Ray Re, we may not be all that far apart, after all. Just two things to add: (1) Cheney/Bush did equate Iraq with doing away with many of the Islamic “evildoers” even though they weren’t there when we started that insane war (and glad you were against it); (2) if you are calling for rooting out Islamist terrorists around the world, you are probably closer to Kerry’s 2004 view of “police operations” across the globe, not so much war in specific countries (which aren’t necessarily ruled by a particular terrorist regime). And some of the latter will likely remain the way they are (vide Afghanistan) for at least another thousand years. Yet we plow on (in this case Obama) with some more insanity.

• 20 Bruce Maples // Aug 26, 2009 at 2:49 am

  Anyone who believes torture is acceptable, ever, hasn’t thought the issue through. Why? Because when you justify it once, there is no stopping until you are raping children in front of their parents to get them to talk.

  I’ve written this out in longer form at my site, if you care to read it. For now, let me be brief: torture is always wrong.

• 21 Novena // Aug 26, 2009 at 6:46 am

  “Torture Is Not the Way”

  Bruce, thanks for adding an endnote of simple moral clarity to the torture issue. All the torture sympathizers can put as much foul gloss on it as they wish, but in so doing they lose some vital sections of their soul.

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